Beyond the Gray

People will talk about politics. They'll talk about money. They'll even talk about their drinking. But faith? That's where most people go silent.

In this episode of Beyond the Gray, Kari Schwear sits down with Joshua Jurkovich, entrepreneur, ultra-runner, and founder of Level10 Growth and Kingdom Impact Network, for one of the most honest, unapologetic conversations this podcast has ever had. They go straight at the gray areas of faith that most Christians won't say out loud: church hurt vs. leaving God, why "new thought" and manifestation culture quietly replace God with self, and why the wealthiest, most successful people are often the emptiest on the inside.

Josh shares his own rock-bottom season of disordered priorities, his experience with substances used to numb out, and the moment surrender changed everything. This isn't a religious lecture. It's a grace-and-truth conversation for anyone who believes in God "but," or isn't sure where they fit anymore.

In this episode you'll hear:

• Why "new thought" and new age practices quietly replace God with self, and how to spot it

• The difference between leaving a church and leaving God

• Why Kari's wealthiest, most successful clients are often the most depleted on the inside

• What "disordered desires" means and why it explains the midlife crisis

• Josh's rock-bottom season: breakup, loss, and the verse that reordered everything

• The truth about ayahuasca, yoga, and spiritual "portals" from a Christian perspective

• Why "it's not religion that's become political; it's politics that's become religious"

• Practical first steps for anyone stuck in the gray area of their faith

• Why the new age movement puts all the burden on you, while Jesus said His burden is light

• Josh's closing line: "Your spirit is being formed. It's just a question of by what."

If you've ever believed in God but felt the "but" creeping in, or if you've been hurt by the church and walked away from something bigger than the building, this conversation was made for you.

00:00 Intro: Why Faith Feels Off-Limits

01:58 Meet Josh: "Man of God" Before Anything Else

05:38 We All Worship Something

07:43 Church Hurt vs. Leaving God

16:01 What Is "New Thought"? (Enneagram, Manifestation, Self vs. God)

23:34 Wealthy and Empty: Why Success Doesn't Satisfy

26:19 Josh's Rock-Bottom Season and Disordered Priorities

31:01 Ayahuasca, Yoga, and Spiritual "Portals"

36:50 Where to Start: Surrender and the Holy Spirit

40:36 Kingdom Impact Network: A Home for Seekers

43:09 Closing Thought: What's Forming Your Spirit?

Entrepreneur, ultra-runner, follower of Jesus first. Founder of Level10 Growth and co-founder of Kingdom Impact Network.
Connect with Josh on IG: https://www.instagram.com/joshjurk
Join us at Kingdom Impact Network: https://kingdomimpact.network

Happy Lies by Melissa Dougherty:

The Steps to Freedom in Christ by Neil T. Anderson:

The Bondage Breaker by Neil T. Anderson:

The Infinite Game by Simon Sinek:

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